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@Natasha - The change in rules overnight cannot be an error. It was mentioned as part of the faq's and when one fan questioned why FFC1 winners are allowed to participate, your reply was "Just like we did not allow the FFC1 winners to participate in FFC2, similarly…"
So does it mean when you replied you did not realize it was an error. It took about 3 days and 45 odd comments to finally realize it was an error???
One more thing...I get an update from another CM that "it was change in decisions" which means it is not an error.
So again comes back to what we communicate and the ability to communicate consistently. Two versions from two CM's. If it was changed for some reasons (obviously the dis-pleasure shown by few fans), just accept it and move forward.
Thanks
Siva A N
So does it mean when you replied you did not realize it was an error. It took about 3 days and 45 odd comments to finally realize it was an error???
One more thing...I get an update from another CM that "it was change in decisions" which means it is not an error.
So again comes back to what we communicate and the ability to communicate consistently. Two versions from two CM's. If it was changed for some reasons (obviously the dis-pleasure shown by few fans), just accept it and move forward.
Thanks
Siva A N
SivaAN on 27 Jul 2010, 06:23 PM
@Kunjan: the criteria for selection is 50%votes and 50% quality of the app. You may have the best app ever, and the most professional ways of writing, clicking your pictures or podcasting but in the end your love for RCB will be put to the test.
The final judgement will lie with the CM and the moderator and the rest of the backend at RCB.
If you have worked towards building your reputation with everyone at RCB and they know you through the noise you make at the Club, you are already half way to winning :)
The final judgement will lie with the CM and the moderator and the rest of the backend at RCB.
If you have worked towards building your reputation with everyone at RCB and they know you through the noise you make at the Club, you are already half way to winning :)
natasha@RCB on 27 Jul 2010, 05:49 PM
@Raghu: haha!! Thank you! Your appreciation is much valued. About the rules getting changed last min - errrmm.. not something we are into at RCB, its more error correction when it happens.. We do not bend the rules for anyone.. what's the fun in that then?
natasha@RCB on 27 Jul 2010, 05:43 PM
@Natasha Very diplomatic, non-committal, appreciative answer! You've mastered the art of managing a community in such a short time :-)
I still believe Chief Judge suggestion should be taken seriously. A Fan rep in the Committee is important to ensure "real fan's interests" are protected.
@radiosandeep In my view, Ram Guha should be nominated the Chief Blogger of RCB for 5 years. We then won't have to go through the ordeal of watching pseudo-fans springing up from all over the world with their "awesome" writing skills! And anyway no one would doubt Guha's leanings towards RCB!!
@kartik-kannan You are similar to Judge 3 I mentioned earlier. The most dangerous types of judges who kill 'fan-spirit' with just one stone
@KunJan Looks like Chief Judge is a good and easy option for you now! Something tells me this Natasha girl wields considerable power and influence to get rules changed ;-) even in the last minute
I still believe Chief Judge suggestion should be taken seriously. A Fan rep in the Committee is important to ensure "real fan's interests" are protected.
@radiosandeep In my view, Ram Guha should be nominated the Chief Blogger of RCB for 5 years. We then won't have to go through the ordeal of watching pseudo-fans springing up from all over the world with their "awesome" writing skills! And anyway no one would doubt Guha's leanings towards RCB!!
@kartik-kannan You are similar to Judge 3 I mentioned earlier. The most dangerous types of judges who kill 'fan-spirit' with just one stone
@KunJan Looks like Chief Judge is a good and easy option for you now! Something tells me this Natasha girl wields considerable power and influence to get rules changed ;-) even in the last minute
Raghunath on 27 Jul 2010, 03:29 PM
@radiosandeep The problem however is how do you know if a fan is RCBian at heart or just faking it? Should there be like a rule that says 6months on community showing some kind of activity? Siva's question is valid, where do we draw the line here?
@natasha: Make sure that atleast the CM votes stand for selection of the final 3, that is if there is no RCB Judge from the fan club, or atleast brief the judges about the activity that the fan has been doing in the fan club before the fans walk into the audition room. Even if the fan isn't selected, the judges know what every fan auditioning with them is capable of, and that sort of is a consolation prize in itself.
Kunal
PS: Can we move the comment box to appear at the top, on a thread like this it gets too painful to scroll to the bottom! :) Or otherwise the comments have to in the order of the oldest first, to the newest last, it becomes easier to read and the comment box appears close the the latest comment! :)
@natasha: Make sure that atleast the CM votes stand for selection of the final 3, that is if there is no RCB Judge from the fan club, or atleast brief the judges about the activity that the fan has been doing in the fan club before the fans walk into the audition room. Even if the fan isn't selected, the judges know what every fan auditioning with them is capable of, and that sort of is a consolation prize in itself.
Kunal
PS: Can we move the comment box to appear at the top, on a thread like this it gets too painful to scroll to the bottom! :) Or otherwise the comments have to in the order of the oldest first, to the newest last, it becomes easier to read and the comment box appears close the the latest comment! :)
KunJan on 27 Jul 2010, 12:43 PM
Hi Natasha, my concern is not at all about wanting to participate in the competition. I really do want to give others a chance. All i did was to ask why rules are different for FFC1 and FFC2 winners, and we appreciate the fact that you set it right.
Mine and Raghunath's concern is about opportunism shown by some folk who appear only when there is a competition to win or some goodies to take home. What is the point in spending lakhs of rupees on a person who is not even RCBian at heart, and wont contribute anything to the club immediately after his days of luxury are over?
Mine and Raghunath's concern is about opportunism shown by some folk who appear only when there is a competition to win or some goodies to take home. What is the point in spending lakhs of rupees on a person who is not even RCBian at heart, and wont contribute anything to the club immediately after his days of luxury are over?
radiosandeep on 27 Jul 2010, 12:34 PM
Here is where I step in:
@everyone: I know that past Chief FF's are upset that are not getting an opportunity to participate but to explain the rules, FFC is a HUGGEEE campaign. For those of you who have won its like winning, it was a huge opportunity you got where you travelled the team, got VIP access, partied with the players, in short lived your dream. We think that another fan deserves that chance to live the same dream.
Allowing an ex-CFF to participate, dampens the talent of any other budding fan, because his competition is someone with experience of being out there.
Take for example: A beauty pageant - Aishwarya Rai won that title just once and lived the memories of it forever.. You (Siva and RadioSandeep) are those legends at RCB!! You have earned that place at RCB and have memories you can hold onto forever. What will be great is, if you played to mentors to the new fans, help out through blogs or discussion forums and tell them what it takes to get there.
About the rules changing overnight: That was an error from our end, which we fixed. It was not changed because of fans.
@Raghu: I think your suggestions are smart. I like how you used it in your favour ;)
I hope I have answered almost everyone's doubts. If not, this comments section is still open..
PS: Sorry about the example of a beauty pageant but you know what I mean dontcha? ;)
@everyone: I know that past Chief FF's are upset that are not getting an opportunity to participate but to explain the rules, FFC is a HUGGEEE campaign. For those of you who have won its like winning, it was a huge opportunity you got where you travelled the team, got VIP access, partied with the players, in short lived your dream. We think that another fan deserves that chance to live the same dream.
Allowing an ex-CFF to participate, dampens the talent of any other budding fan, because his competition is someone with experience of being out there.
Take for example: A beauty pageant - Aishwarya Rai won that title just once and lived the memories of it forever.. You (Siva and RadioSandeep) are those legends at RCB!! You have earned that place at RCB and have memories you can hold onto forever. What will be great is, if you played to mentors to the new fans, help out through blogs or discussion forums and tell them what it takes to get there.
About the rules changing overnight: That was an error from our end, which we fixed. It was not changed because of fans.
@Raghu: I think your suggestions are smart. I like how you used it in your favour ;)
I hope I have answered almost everyone's doubts. If not, this comments section is still open..
PS: Sorry about the example of a beauty pageant but you know what I mean dontcha? ;)
natasha@RCB on 27 Jul 2010, 12:28 PM
I think the contest can be open to all. Just tweak the rules in terms of lesser brownie points for a past winner and a little more for an active fan. At the end of the day, we just want the best podcaster/photographer and Blogger :-)
kartik-kannan on 27 Jul 2010, 12:20 PM
@Siva: Interesting that you bring up this question, but how many of the chiefs have remained active after the journey except Radio and yourself? There isn't a way of identifying who will stay and who will not. What Raghu sir and I have been trying to say for the last two FFC's is that the proven fans get first priority to selection before any new face. There are a lot of people in this community that are doing amazing work, have enough skill to make it to final 27. But then, a guy who is just joined the club a day or a month or even six months back, a guy who hasn't done much or any work for the community walks away with the grand prize because he has the professional skills required? That's not being fair on your most loyal fans!
Like the idea of having an RCB Judge or a group of RCB fans who will discuss the loyalty of the fans with the three judges at the audition!
We give fans who are "proven loyals" a higher rank than a fan whose just joined is what I'm saying.
Photography interests everybody, even I take a lot of photos with my 2 MP mobile camera and enjoy editing them on photoshop to bring the best out of the pictures, but no way am I to call myself a professional after I've seen your work! :)
Assume Sandeep uses his digital camera to do just that! :)
Like the idea of having an RCB Judge or a group of RCB fans who will discuss the loyalty of the fans with the three judges at the audition!
We give fans who are "proven loyals" a higher rank than a fan whose just joined is what I'm saying.
Photography interests everybody, even I take a lot of photos with my 2 MP mobile camera and enjoy editing them on photoshop to bring the best out of the pictures, but no way am I to call myself a professional after I've seen your work! :)
Assume Sandeep uses his digital camera to do just that! :)
KunJan on 27 Jul 2010, 09:05 AM
@Raghu sir, radiosandeep & kunjan - these competitions are also an opportunity for the club to bring in more new fans. Are we saying that we should not give an opportunity to the new fans? How is the management / judge going to assess them. Some fans could have just joined RCB to participate in the competition. After the contest is over, he could be loyal & active too. Where & how do we draw a line here? Should we bring in a criteria for taking part in such contests like Raghu sir mentioned earlier? This might drive away many new fans who would be interested to join and turn out to as loyal / active as?????
@radiosandeep - glad to know that you do photography as well. Curious to know which equipment do you use?
Cheers
Siva A N
@radiosandeep - glad to know that you do photography as well. Curious to know which equipment do you use?
Cheers
Siva A N
SivaAN on 27 Jul 2010, 08:47 AM
@Raghu: Why just one RCB Chief Judge? Why not 10 have a group of 10 people, led by one man? Just like the censor board :P They will be responsible in presenting the facts of loyalty and commitment of each fan in the competition.. and agree on the fact that the judges have to be around the RCB band wagon, and not somebody from the outside.
@radiosandeep still not convinced with the fact of allowing past chiefs to participate. Seriously, other fans need to get an opportunity, you guys can be selected only if the quality of people on display isn't up to the mark.
@radiosandeep still not convinced with the fact of allowing past chiefs to participate. Seriously, other fans need to get an opportunity, you guys can be selected only if the quality of people on display isn't up to the mark.
KunJan on 27 Jul 2010, 08:25 AM
@RadioSandeep You have made some important discoveries. Discoveries I had made long long ago!
Specifically with respect to FFC2:
Judge 1 is a very sweet person, trusts all visitors to the site and treats them as 'RCB Fans'. Is delighted at everyone who takes the effort to visit the site and read about the team.
Judge 2 - very shrewd, smart, has seen life in all its hues, understands fan sentiments 100% and can distinguish between fans, doubtful fans, fake fans and non-fans. But the "national hero" image stops him from openly expressing it! So keeps his reservations to himself :-) and lets it pass with a tinge of regret in his mind.
Judge 3 - doesn't care if he is fan or non-fan! "Does he/she have the skills for the job" and "Is he/she the best of the lot" - are the only considerations. May not have been given a good briefing of the whole concept of fan club, why, how, who etc. Not his fault at all!
They are all right, from their perspectives. Just that the judges should be from the Fan Club community itself, not from outside.
Have a Good Day!
Specifically with respect to FFC2:
Judge 1 is a very sweet person, trusts all visitors to the site and treats them as 'RCB Fans'. Is delighted at everyone who takes the effort to visit the site and read about the team.
Judge 2 - very shrewd, smart, has seen life in all its hues, understands fan sentiments 100% and can distinguish between fans, doubtful fans, fake fans and non-fans. But the "national hero" image stops him from openly expressing it! So keeps his reservations to himself :-) and lets it pass with a tinge of regret in his mind.
Judge 3 - doesn't care if he is fan or non-fan! "Does he/she have the skills for the job" and "Is he/she the best of the lot" - are the only considerations. May not have been given a good briefing of the whole concept of fan club, why, how, who etc. Not his fault at all!
They are all right, from their perspectives. Just that the judges should be from the Fan Club community itself, not from outside.
Have a Good Day!
Raghunath on 27 Jul 2010, 07:51 AM
Thanks Raghunath. But now that the rules have been decided, it's difficult to see how i fit in. But yes, i'd always be glad to step in if they need me. I can also don the role of a videographer (as i did for a part of IPL) and have pretty decent photography skills too. And yes, i'd also be the Emcee for any show if needed ;-)
But that apart, i'm seriously concerned about non-active or worse still, 'non RCB supporters' becoming a Chief. RCB spends lakhs on each chief, and i wish they spend it on a 'genuine fan' rather than someone who just comes in with some skills and walks out with a meatier profile.
The judges at the audition have no idea on the credentials of a finalist, so the filtering should be done at the first stage itself.
Wat say?
But that apart, i'm seriously concerned about non-active or worse still, 'non RCB supporters' becoming a Chief. RCB spends lakhs on each chief, and i wish they spend it on a 'genuine fan' rather than someone who just comes in with some skills and walks out with a meatier profile.
The judges at the audition have no idea on the credentials of a finalist, so the filtering should be done at the first stage itself.
Wat say?
radiosandeep on 27 Jul 2010, 12:11 AM
@Natasha ... looks like people still have the steam and energy to battle this out. Maybe too early for you to step in with your "decision"
Here's my 'final' recommendation:
1. Radio Sandeep should be eligible to contest because he has been consistently active.
2. SivaAN should be in the "reserves' - in case suitable applicants don't apply. He was active for sometime after FFC1 and a little bit before FFC2
3. All other past FFC winners are not eligible due to unacceptably low level of activity post their 'Chief' status. Also they have not expressed interest and availability for FFC3.
4. A new position called "Chief Judge" should be created. Role involves 'arbitration in case of disputes among the contestants and challengers, validation of Last 7 in each category and participation in the final selection process'.
The Chief Judge will have the option to go to SA if he/she wants to, depending on status of other commitments
The Chief Judge will be a FF who has put in at least 12 months of RCB FC membership and will always be an "nominated position", on rotation basis for every FFC and will not go through contests, voting, canvassing, MGM, etc etc
For having made this suggestion, I will get to be the Chief Judge for FFC3 ;-)
All other issues can be amicably resolved in the next 2 weeks
:-)
Here's my 'final' recommendation:
1. Radio Sandeep should be eligible to contest because he has been consistently active.
2. SivaAN should be in the "reserves' - in case suitable applicants don't apply. He was active for sometime after FFC1 and a little bit before FFC2
3. All other past FFC winners are not eligible due to unacceptably low level of activity post their 'Chief' status. Also they have not expressed interest and availability for FFC3.
4. A new position called "Chief Judge" should be created. Role involves 'arbitration in case of disputes among the contestants and challengers, validation of Last 7 in each category and participation in the final selection process'.
The Chief Judge will have the option to go to SA if he/she wants to, depending on status of other commitments
The Chief Judge will be a FF who has put in at least 12 months of RCB FC membership and will always be an "nominated position", on rotation basis for every FFC and will not go through contests, voting, canvassing, MGM, etc etc
For having made this suggestion, I will get to be the Chief Judge for FFC3 ;-)
All other issues can be amicably resolved in the next 2 weeks
:-)
Raghunath on 26 Jul 2010, 10:11 PM
@ Raghunath "Allow previous winners to participate only if they have been active on RCB website “even after the series” and give them a chance to try for Last 7. In the audition, they will be selected only if other competitors do not come up to “acceptable levels”.
For IPL 4, I suggest RCB evaluates fans based on their continuous contribution between Aug 2010 - Feb 2011 - on the website, fan meet ups, etc and shortlists the final 7 or 9 for audition. This way a “11th hour contest” can be avoided and the site will also be buzzing in off season. "
You are absolutely right. To see some dormant ex fanatic fans suddenly jump up just because it is the lure of a major contest or event, is really funny. One should have the passion to support the team, the fan club and of course the talent to be the best person for the job. Your suggestion, if taken up can do well for the fan club as well as the events. I strongly recommend that the active presence as well as the passion to support the team 'not just on the match days' be considered as a criteria.
For IPL 4, I suggest RCB evaluates fans based on their continuous contribution between Aug 2010 - Feb 2011 - on the website, fan meet ups, etc and shortlists the final 7 or 9 for audition. This way a “11th hour contest” can be avoided and the site will also be buzzing in off season. "
You are absolutely right. To see some dormant ex fanatic fans suddenly jump up just because it is the lure of a major contest or event, is really funny. One should have the passion to support the team, the fan club and of course the talent to be the best person for the job. Your suggestion, if taken up can do well for the fan club as well as the events. I strongly recommend that the active presence as well as the passion to support the team 'not just on the match days' be considered as a criteria.
Wizardprince on 26 Jul 2010, 03:40 PM
@ Sivan : 'Fear of competing'? You probably haven't ever seen the rules of any contest anywhere in the world. It is a usual practice that past winners are not allowed to compete again. It's not fear of being able to compete with some high headed lesser talented individuals, but, the concept of fairness.
In any case, I am not contending for the same category that you belong to, or else, you might have witnessed the 'Fear Factor' yourself as not everytime you will be able to win against easy competition. You are lucky mate!
In any case, I am not contending for the same category that you belong to, or else, you might have witnessed the 'Fear Factor' yourself as not everytime you will be able to win against easy competition. You are lucky mate!
Wizardprince on 26 Jul 2010, 03:35 PM
@KunJan
I think a Chief RCB Fan ought to bring something to the table, some unique talent that will help the club and give back to the fans. It should not be about solely cashing in on an opportunity to promote themselves. It should be more about using their skills to help the club and not vice-versa.
I totally empathize with you on the category problem. I enjoy writing, but am not a pro by any means. Photography, taking video, and podcasting is not my cup of tea. I can draw, paint, etc and design clothing but there's no designated category for that. Forget FFC, even for the summit contest, I could not showcase what I could do to improve the club in the categories provided. So maybe another category is required in the future where a fan can show whatever skills they do possess, a miscellaneous category or something...
I think a Chief RCB Fan ought to bring something to the table, some unique talent that will help the club and give back to the fans. It should not be about solely cashing in on an opportunity to promote themselves. It should be more about using their skills to help the club and not vice-versa.
I totally empathize with you on the category problem. I enjoy writing, but am not a pro by any means. Photography, taking video, and podcasting is not my cup of tea. I can draw, paint, etc and design clothing but there's no designated category for that. Forget FFC, even for the summit contest, I could not showcase what I could do to improve the club in the categories provided. So maybe another category is required in the future where a fan can show whatever skills they do possess, a miscellaneous category or something...
soleiletchiots on 26 Jul 2010, 02:01 PM
Ha ha, this conversation is become a healthy debate. Nice!
@Siva No harsh feelings against you buddy, but the point i was trying to make is that RCB give more fans an opportunity to live their dream of being close to a cricket team and enjoy things from a fan's perspective. I'm no profession blogger, photographer or a podcaster, I'm only a software professional and a huge who wants to do anything to get an opportunity to get close to the team. It's a dream that every RCB fan wants to live.
Previous FFC winners have had it all, FFC 2 winners for that matter had VIP access for 45 days, How much more would you want?
You guys get invited to fan summit for just discussing ideas, we as fans had to put together a completely professional looking document even to get invited despite being an active contributor to the RCB fan club!
You guys get Anil Kumble's wide angle at the summit. For what? Because you were previous FFC winners. Look at it from the angle of a fan who has been trying hard to prove his skiils to Ray Jennings who has nothing but "You need to enhance your skills" to say for every time he auditioned (twice) . I'm pretty sure that with the Videographer category out, I'll anyway be feeling the heat to finish in the final 27.
If I do qualify, I don't want to be seeing your "professional" experience hindering my only chance to realizing the dream. Think about it from my angle, and I'm sure you'll understand what I'm saying.
@Raghu It always happens, we discuss this every single time. Hopefully the mods will take note of this and devise a better system to selecting the winners.
@All I have a question for all of you? Do you think a "Chief RCB Fan" should have all the professional skills required for that category? Is it not sufficient if the Chief is able to put up a _decent_ content, and is proven RCB fan? or is it mandatory for the Chief to showcase the professional experience, but their activity on the site is unknown to the many fans?
Just a thought: Mods should probably form a fan group of 10-15 people including the moderators to vote for the Top 9 fans that are selected by the judges, or atleast they should be able to vote for the most deserving, and these votes are considered before the final announcement is made. Even better thing to do is to allow this group to have a discussion with the judges to help them decide who deserves to win.
Kunal
PS: I'm only trying to make suggestions here. No offense meant to the previous winners, you guys totally deserved it.
@Siva No harsh feelings against you buddy, but the point i was trying to make is that RCB give more fans an opportunity to live their dream of being close to a cricket team and enjoy things from a fan's perspective. I'm no profession blogger, photographer or a podcaster, I'm only a software professional and a huge who wants to do anything to get an opportunity to get close to the team. It's a dream that every RCB fan wants to live.
Previous FFC winners have had it all, FFC 2 winners for that matter had VIP access for 45 days, How much more would you want?
You guys get invited to fan summit for just discussing ideas, we as fans had to put together a completely professional looking document even to get invited despite being an active contributor to the RCB fan club!
You guys get Anil Kumble's wide angle at the summit. For what? Because you were previous FFC winners. Look at it from the angle of a fan who has been trying hard to prove his skiils to Ray Jennings who has nothing but "You need to enhance your skills" to say for every time he auditioned (twice) . I'm pretty sure that with the Videographer category out, I'll anyway be feeling the heat to finish in the final 27.
If I do qualify, I don't want to be seeing your "professional" experience hindering my only chance to realizing the dream. Think about it from my angle, and I'm sure you'll understand what I'm saying.
@Raghu It always happens, we discuss this every single time. Hopefully the mods will take note of this and devise a better system to selecting the winners.
@All I have a question for all of you? Do you think a "Chief RCB Fan" should have all the professional skills required for that category? Is it not sufficient if the Chief is able to put up a _decent_ content, and is proven RCB fan? or is it mandatory for the Chief to showcase the professional experience, but their activity on the site is unknown to the many fans?
Just a thought: Mods should probably form a fan group of 10-15 people including the moderators to vote for the Top 9 fans that are selected by the judges, or atleast they should be able to vote for the most deserving, and these votes are considered before the final announcement is made. Even better thing to do is to allow this group to have a discussion with the judges to help them decide who deserves to win.
Kunal
PS: I'm only trying to make suggestions here. No offense meant to the previous winners, you guys totally deserved it.
KunJan on 26 Jul 2010, 01:02 PM
@radiosandeep @SivaAN
Last night I started posting a comment on this thread and maybe I was in a mood to write and in no time realized the comment was too long! So I took it out and made a separate post on the Fan Blogs!
Hope that gives a more holistic view of these contests - in perspective and also as a guideline for future - from a FF perspective.
Another Monday is here ... catch up later.
:-)
Last night I started posting a comment on this thread and maybe I was in a mood to write and in no time realized the comment was too long! So I took it out and made a separate post on the Fan Blogs!
Hope that gives a more holistic view of these contests - in perspective and also as a guideline for future - from a FF perspective.
Another Monday is here ... catch up later.
:-)
Raghunath on 26 Jul 2010, 08:20 AM
Yes Siva, i am talking about only the “PROFESSIONALS who are earning livelihood of the concerned field and have been winners” :-)
radiosandeep on 26 Jul 2010, 08:08 AM
@radiosandeep - this debate of being professionals in their field and using RCB for PERSONAL GAINS after the contest is over should be applicable only to "PROFESSIONALS who are earning livelihood of the concerned field and have been winners".
Now we all know whom (I mean the PROFESSIONALS) you are talking about from the last 7 winners :-)
Cheers
Siva A N
Now we all know whom (I mean the PROFESSIONALS) you are talking about from the last 7 winners :-)
Cheers
Siva A N
SivaAN on 25 Jul 2010, 11:17 PM
ya, since this is a fanatic 'fan' contest and not merely a contest for professionals to come and build their profile, it would be nice if the contract was actually extended until the next contest. This would ensure that the selected chiefs not just enjoy the benefits during the tournament, but also contribute during the off-season.
i agree with you when you say that fame and glory comes as a part of the assignment, but i only hope that the selected fan is someone who is genuinely a fan, and not someone who takes up the assignment 'solely' for personal gains.
i agree with you when you say that fame and glory comes as a part of the assignment, but i only hope that the selected fan is someone who is genuinely a fan, and not someone who takes up the assignment 'solely' for personal gains.
radiosandeep on 25 Jul 2010, 10:49 PM
@Radiosandeep – I completely agree with your comment. You couldn’t have been more accurate in saying that some of us (PROFESSIONALS who are earning livelihood of the concerned field and who’ve won earlier contests) make use of RCB platform for PERSONAL GAINS. In fact nobody (professionals or non-professionals) is noble enough to be indifferent to “fame”, “glory” & “personal gain”.
Yet, “fame”, “glory” & “personal gain” are a package deal with team RCB. You cannot NOT be famous when you are with team RCB. It’s like saying ‘go to Purple Haze, but don’t get tipsy ☺
So, to smooth things out a rule has to be framed saying – professionals who are earning livelihood of the concerned field (photography, blogging, podcasting, videography etc…) needn’t apply. For this, participants should be required to furnish proof of profession unrelated to the field they are applying for.
However my best wishes to participants who are NON-professionals, who are NOT looking for personal mileage or fame & glory in FFC3.
Cheers
Siva A N
Yet, “fame”, “glory” & “personal gain” are a package deal with team RCB. You cannot NOT be famous when you are with team RCB. It’s like saying ‘go to Purple Haze, but don’t get tipsy ☺
So, to smooth things out a rule has to be framed saying – professionals who are earning livelihood of the concerned field (photography, blogging, podcasting, videography etc…) needn’t apply. For this, participants should be required to furnish proof of profession unrelated to the field they are applying for.
However my best wishes to participants who are NON-professionals, who are NOT looking for personal mileage or fame & glory in FFC3.
Cheers
Siva A N
SivaAN on 25 Jul 2010, 09:56 PM
@mods:hey everyone cant be a podcaster,photographer or videographer so it will be good if you can give us more options because there are many students so i dont think that students can be.so something like stuffs creation and others should also be given a chance.c'mon nidhi and natasha its in your hands!
maddydravid on 25 Jul 2010, 10:03 AM
This is quite a debate brewing here. I just wanted to say I support Raghunath's suggestion that RCB evaluate fans based on their continuous contribution between Aug 2010 - Feb 2011 - on the website, fan meet ups, etc and shortlists the final 7 or 9 for audition. It definately needs to be taken into account because this is a RCB community contest.
soleiletchiots on 25 Jul 2010, 12:04 AM
What a fanatic debate, fantastic! Since we all are entitled to give suggestions, here is mine:
Donot allow FFC1 & FFC2 to contest for FFC3. But create a "Fanatic Forums" comprising of the winners and FFC1, 2 and some other loyal fans (if they prefer not to participate). Let this form actively partcipate in shortlisting the candidates: give special weightage to their votes. Mentors and 'gurus' are as important (if not more) as the contestants!
I may be not be eligible to be a part of this forum and I will not participate in the contest...but what the heck, I care like hell for the RCB...so, let me also throw my suggestion into the boxing ring.
May the best man (or woman)win....!
Donot allow FFC1 & FFC2 to contest for FFC3. But create a "Fanatic Forums" comprising of the winners and FFC1, 2 and some other loyal fans (if they prefer not to participate). Let this form actively partcipate in shortlisting the candidates: give special weightage to their votes. Mentors and 'gurus' are as important (if not more) as the contestants!
I may be not be eligible to be a part of this forum and I will not participate in the contest...but what the heck, I care like hell for the RCB...so, let me also throw my suggestion into the boxing ring.
May the best man (or woman)win....!
harsha-vardhan on 24 Jul 2010, 07:29 PM
@SivaAN I "may not" have meant past FFCs. And Timbuktoo can be within India also.
The selected "Chief" "Fanatic" "Fan" should necessarily do justice to every word in her/his title. Tell me how many past winners have done justice to this title! Or don't call them "Chief" "Fanatic" "Fans" - there are a million other words in the English language to choose from.
Only "True" "RCB Fans" should be the judges.
In other words, I should be one of the judges!!! :-)
The selected "Chief" "Fanatic" "Fan" should necessarily do justice to every word in her/his title. Tell me how many past winners have done justice to this title! Or don't call them "Chief" "Fanatic" "Fans" - there are a million other words in the English language to choose from.
Only "True" "RCB Fans" should be the judges.
In other words, I should be one of the judges!!! :-)
Raghunath on 24 Jul 2010, 06:45 PM
@Raghu sir - by then the competition will end :-)
And about the judges...I don't see any issue. We filter the final 21 based on loyalty, votes, quality of application, activity on site etc...
From there on the job of the judge is to ensure he picks up the best of the lot. I don't think we have the right to question the judges of the last 2 FFCs and in both the cases there were at least 2 RCBians in the panel. So please don't question their selection process / integrity.
If we all feel that any RCB fan (i meant active & loyal) irrespective of skill set for a specific job should be given a chance, then lets just have "Fanatic Fans" traveling with the team and not ones with specific roles.
Cheers
Siva A N
And about the judges...I don't see any issue. We filter the final 21 based on loyalty, votes, quality of application, activity on site etc...
From there on the job of the judge is to ensure he picks up the best of the lot. I don't think we have the right to question the judges of the last 2 FFCs and in both the cases there were at least 2 RCBians in the panel. So please don't question their selection process / integrity.
If we all feel that any RCB fan (i meant active & loyal) irrespective of skill set for a specific job should be given a chance, then lets just have "Fanatic Fans" traveling with the team and not ones with specific roles.
Cheers
Siva A N
SivaAN on 24 Jul 2010, 06:28 PM
@SivaAN That's precisely what you shouldn't do. Let the issue grow! Keep posting your thoughts.
At a suitable stage, Nidhi or Natasha will step in with their thoughts
At a suitable stage, Nidhi or Natasha will step in with their thoughts
Raghunath on 24 Jul 2010, 06:20 PM
@Raghu sir - what I meant was I will discuss with Nidhi & other CM outside this forum and get their explanation. Otherwise the debate will just grow.
Thanks
Siva A N
Thanks
Siva A N
SivaAN on 24 Jul 2010, 06:04 PM
@radiosandeep The problem lies with the judges. Get a judge from Timbuktoo and he wouldn't give a damn if the so-called "Chief" "Fanatic" "Fan" is indeed an RCB Fan or not - he will look for someone who will be indebted to him and can be of use to him in Timbuktoo and this RCB-training will come in handly for him and he wouldn't have to spend a buck on head hunting, training or introducing her/him to people!
Get a judge who is a true RCB Fan and I assure you all doubts will be set aside. It will not matter "even if past winners are allowed", will ensure justice to the whole competition - including "preference for past participants but not winners", "non-exclusion of but last preference for past winners"
@SivaAN Boss, don't take this outside and go directly to the management. Controversies, heat and light have been the elements that have embellished this site and don't take it away!
This is like a modern day gram panchayat - all disputes have to be resolved under the palm tree, grape orchards or barley fields over a pitcher of Kingfisher and in full public eye!
Those who don't like controversies may spend their time playing a cricket match and join for beer after the match!
Get a judge who is a true RCB Fan and I assure you all doubts will be set aside. It will not matter "even if past winners are allowed", will ensure justice to the whole competition - including "preference for past participants but not winners", "non-exclusion of but last preference for past winners"
@SivaAN Boss, don't take this outside and go directly to the management. Controversies, heat and light have been the elements that have embellished this site and don't take it away!
This is like a modern day gram panchayat - all disputes have to be resolved under the palm tree, grape orchards or barley fields over a pitcher of Kingfisher and in full public eye!
Those who don't like controversies may spend their time playing a cricket match and join for beer after the match!
Raghunath on 24 Jul 2010, 05:48 PM
@radiosandeep - glad you understood. Again sorry for the confusion :-)
And like I said I have nothing against the previous winners. Nothing is defined clearly and hence all the confusion. The scenario of previous winners cannot participate and FFC1 winners can will arise only now since this is the 3rd competition.
I will take this issue outside the forum with the management.
Cheers
Siva A N
And like I said I have nothing against the previous winners. Nothing is defined clearly and hence all the confusion. The scenario of previous winners cannot participate and FFC1 winners can will arise only now since this is the 3rd competition.
I will take this issue outside the forum with the management.
Cheers
Siva A N
SivaAN on 24 Jul 2010, 04:12 PM
@Siva: oh sorry. Since you had said 'feedback and comments AFTER IPL 3', i thought you were referring to us, since we were the ones who got selected for IPL 3 :-)
radiosandeep on 24 Jul 2010, 03:53 PM
@radiosandeep. It was communicated by RCB management and CM that if you are a immediate previous winner, you cannot participate and you are eligible to do so in the next FFC. This was communicated in the forum too. Hence my debate.
Also I only said that I got feedback about my work after IPL3. So why are u assuming that coach was not happy with your work. I think you have completely mis-understood what I said. Sorry if I confused you. Also I never said you don't deserve to compete. I am deleting that thread as it might confuse more fans :-)
As I said before, I do not mind competing with everyone again but only asking for a consistency in communication.
Thanks
Siva A N
Also I only said that I got feedback about my work after IPL3. So why are u assuming that coach was not happy with your work. I think you have completely mis-understood what I said. Sorry if I confused you. Also I never said you don't deserve to compete. I am deleting that thread as it might confuse more fans :-)
As I said before, I do not mind competing with everyone again but only asking for a consistency in communication.
Thanks
Siva A N
SivaAN on 24 Jul 2010, 03:44 PM
I agree with Raghunath. Fans who are active even during the off season and even when there is no contest to win, should be given importance. I know for a fact that there are some people who are professionals in their field, participate in this contest only for the fame and recognition and disappear soon after their days of glory are over. In essence, they are actually abusing the system and making use of RCB for their personal gains. Also, take the fan Summit for example. There are some who appeared and even posted irrelevant posts 'just to be seen', so that they could get invited for the Summit, and they were! Soon after the Summit, they couldnt care less about RCB. I'm actually surprised the CMs havent taken note of this.
@Siva An: As regards FFC1 and FFC2 winners, i think the rule should be uniform for all. Either they are allowed or they are not allowed. If it the rule was 'immediate previous FFC winners cant participate', then FFC 1 winners should be allowed. But i'm not sure if that was the case any time. So, it is right that the same rule applies to both FFC1 and FFC2 winners.
Also, trying to suggest that Coach wasnt happy with FFC2 winners and hence they dont deserve to compete, is not a healthy development and could lead to a whole new debate altogether.
@Rahul: even i dont agree with this 50% percent weightage for votes thingy. What if you are better at podcasting than i was, but i got shortlisted only because my votes were far more than yours? The idea of getting people to vote is only to increase registrations on the RCB site, and if the 50-50 rule is applied seriously, there arises a chance of grave injustice to certain candidates who are very good with their work, but some are better in getting RCB some dummy registrations (as not all who register become active fans). But i know for sure that votes hardly matter for shortlisting, so relax. Just make a good application and get some moderate amount of votes, and you'll be through...
@Siva An: As regards FFC1 and FFC2 winners, i think the rule should be uniform for all. Either they are allowed or they are not allowed. If it the rule was 'immediate previous FFC winners cant participate', then FFC 1 winners should be allowed. But i'm not sure if that was the case any time. So, it is right that the same rule applies to both FFC1 and FFC2 winners.
Also, trying to suggest that Coach wasnt happy with FFC2 winners and hence they dont deserve to compete, is not a healthy development and could lead to a whole new debate altogether.
@Rahul: even i dont agree with this 50% percent weightage for votes thingy. What if you are better at podcasting than i was, but i got shortlisted only because my votes were far more than yours? The idea of getting people to vote is only to increase registrations on the RCB site, and if the 50-50 rule is applied seriously, there arises a chance of grave injustice to certain candidates who are very good with their work, but some are better in getting RCB some dummy registrations (as not all who register become active fans). But i know for sure that votes hardly matter for shortlisting, so relax. Just make a good application and get some moderate amount of votes, and you'll be through...
radiosandeep on 24 Jul 2010, 03:31 PM
@SivaAN
I don't think quality will suffer. There is a superabundance of people and skills in our billion plus population. Go to any media school, you will find plenty with writing/blogging, photography and podcasting skills.
In act they can even write without knowing much about the domain!
Also, quality is seen differently by different eyes and minds. What looks good to Sambit Bal may not have looked good to Rajan Bala or the fans and vice versa.
In my view, anyone should be allowed to participate in these contests but only "proven RCB-loyal" fans should get shortlisted/selected. Fan loyalty is to be measured by activity and contribution on the website (not by how many sim cards they brought to the site).
Smartly, EC has removed the datestamp on fan profiles ;-) to avoid controversies - especially with noisemakers like myself and Mahesh and Kunal and so on...
My disappointment with these contests is that the standard 2 error types happen repeatedly:
1. False Positive - thinking someone is good skills and will be a loyal RCB fan but will not turn out to be
2. False Negative - thinking someone is not good when actually he/she is good (and loyal too!)
Keep fighting hard - don't give up - and who knows, Natasha may change the rules again! And she should be entitled to change the rules at will to make this contest look more fair to the community as a whole!
@Rahul - your point on excessive weightage for votes is valid. But in reality, it will not happen that a lousy application with huge votes will get shortlisted. The vice versa is more likely to get noticed.
I don't think quality will suffer. There is a superabundance of people and skills in our billion plus population. Go to any media school, you will find plenty with writing/blogging, photography and podcasting skills.
In act they can even write without knowing much about the domain!
Also, quality is seen differently by different eyes and minds. What looks good to Sambit Bal may not have looked good to Rajan Bala or the fans and vice versa.
In my view, anyone should be allowed to participate in these contests but only "proven RCB-loyal" fans should get shortlisted/selected. Fan loyalty is to be measured by activity and contribution on the website (not by how many sim cards they brought to the site).
Smartly, EC has removed the datestamp on fan profiles ;-) to avoid controversies - especially with noisemakers like myself and Mahesh and Kunal and so on...
My disappointment with these contests is that the standard 2 error types happen repeatedly:
1. False Positive - thinking someone is good skills and will be a loyal RCB fan but will not turn out to be
2. False Negative - thinking someone is not good when actually he/she is good (and loyal too!)
Keep fighting hard - don't give up - and who knows, Natasha may change the rules again! And she should be entitled to change the rules at will to make this contest look more fair to the community as a whole!
@Rahul - your point on excessive weightage for votes is valid. But in reality, it will not happen that a lousy application with huge votes will get shortlisted. The vice versa is more likely to get noticed.
Raghunath on 24 Jul 2010, 01:12 PM
@Raghu sir. The main issue about being consistent in what we communicate. The problem as you said we do not have a defined process. Be it a business / a fan community, you need to have something outlined and defined.
Last time when the same issue was raised, they said previous FFC winners cannot participate but they can in the next FFC. Perfectly fine. Do debates on that.
FFC3 is launched, rules are set and just because few fans had some issues with regards to the FFC1 winners, the rules cannot be changed overnight. This is complete unjust. That's my main point of debate here. Let's be fair in what we communicate.
Even though we need to be able to give chances to fans, we should not dilute the quality of work also. I am not sure how fans involvement will be diluted as they get an opportunity to showcase their talent during the competition and before that. We need a mix of both.
P.S - Please check my contribution after completion of CLT20. I agree I was inactive just before IPL and also after that but that should not take away the opportunity to participate in a contest after 1 year (considering we cannot participate in the immediate FFC). There are many members who just active only during contest and still reach final 21. What do we do about them? Some have never done photography / videography / blogged. But they still apply. Even if this is not business, do you think this is acceptable?
Cheers
Siva A N
Last time when the same issue was raised, they said previous FFC winners cannot participate but they can in the next FFC. Perfectly fine. Do debates on that.
FFC3 is launched, rules are set and just because few fans had some issues with regards to the FFC1 winners, the rules cannot be changed overnight. This is complete unjust. That's my main point of debate here. Let's be fair in what we communicate.
Even though we need to be able to give chances to fans, we should not dilute the quality of work also. I am not sure how fans involvement will be diluted as they get an opportunity to showcase their talent during the competition and before that. We need a mix of both.
P.S - Please check my contribution after completion of CLT20. I agree I was inactive just before IPL and also after that but that should not take away the opportunity to participate in a contest after 1 year (considering we cannot participate in the immediate FFC). There are many members who just active only during contest and still reach final 21. What do we do about them? Some have never done photography / videography / blogged. But they still apply. Even if this is not business, do you think this is acceptable?
Cheers
Siva A N
SivaAN on 24 Jul 2010, 10:37 AM
@SivaAN That was an 'academic' explanation, take it easy!
This is turning out to be an interesting debate. Natasha is managing a "community" (read: Large Extended Family) where many families/individuals need to be kept happy. So she has to think of some kind of a rotation system.
If it had been about managing a business, I agree only the best should be selected. This is equivalent to "employing" the best and retaining them for every series/season. Fans involvement will be diluted.
I think Natasha's focus is on getting "7 good profiles" and if she gets "outside the previous winners", she would have reason to be happy. If she doesn't get, she should again change the rules and let the previous winners in.
There is one other option:
Allow previous winners to participate only if they have been active on RCB website "even after the series" and give them a chance to try for Last 7. In the audition, they will be selected only if other competitors do not come up to "acceptable levels".
For IPL 4, I suggest RCB evaluates fans based on their continuous contribution between Aug 2010 - Feb 2011 - on the website, fan meet ups, etc and shortlists the final 7 or 9 for audition. This way a "11th hour contest" can be avoided and the site will also be buzzing in off season.
This is turning out to be an interesting debate. Natasha is managing a "community" (read: Large Extended Family) where many families/individuals need to be kept happy. So she has to think of some kind of a rotation system.
If it had been about managing a business, I agree only the best should be selected. This is equivalent to "employing" the best and retaining them for every series/season. Fans involvement will be diluted.
I think Natasha's focus is on getting "7 good profiles" and if she gets "outside the previous winners", she would have reason to be happy. If she doesn't get, she should again change the rules and let the previous winners in.
There is one other option:
Allow previous winners to participate only if they have been active on RCB website "even after the series" and give them a chance to try for Last 7. In the audition, they will be selected only if other competitors do not come up to "acceptable levels".
For IPL 4, I suggest RCB evaluates fans based on their continuous contribution between Aug 2010 - Feb 2011 - on the website, fan meet ups, etc and shortlists the final 7 or 9 for audition. This way a "11th hour contest" can be avoided and the site will also be buzzing in off season.
Raghunath on 24 Jul 2010, 10:17 AM
@radiosandeep - I understand your point of view and I had similar thoughts last time as well. I will still agree with you and say "let's open it to all" and let the best get selected. That's my opinion. Sometimes it's the fear to compete that raises such questions. Bad luck buddy and you were one of the best in the last FFC. We will miss you.
@raghunath - we havent forgotten that sir :-)
@kunjan - i am a great fan of you for being one of the more active members. Hats of but what grudge do you have with FFC1 winners dude? Don't talk about activity in the forum, then at least 98% should not be allowed to participate. It's a year now that we participated last and that is fair enough. Like I said above sometimes it's the fear to compete when you know the best are around makes you think like this. Come out of it and show your skills. Beat the best which also ensures that all RCB fans get the best out of the winners. The world does not wait 3 seasons to keep trying again and again. Both the times you have applied for a different category. So be very clear of what you want to do first.
I appreciate that you were preparing for a videographer role. This is good. For me a photographer can do the same job as the videographer does for RCB. As long as RCB has a position for chief photographer, they should not be looking for a videographer. So may be you should start leaning photography. You will enjoy it. I am an ametuer too and if you need any help from me on some photography skills, please feel free to contact me. I would love to assist. And hey we could be competing together in the future FFCs.
@wizardprince - Boss, I dont know what to say :-) Read above comments. Keeeeeeeeeeeep trying.........................
I don't think this is the forum where I can share the feedback & comments that I got from our coach after IPL3. I could have built a story around it but I always wanted to compete and win....If anyone wants to read those comments, please send me an email.
Go RCB Go...let's do it this time in SA.
Cheers
Siva A N
@raghunath - we havent forgotten that sir :-)
@kunjan - i am a great fan of you for being one of the more active members. Hats of but what grudge do you have with FFC1 winners dude? Don't talk about activity in the forum, then at least 98% should not be allowed to participate. It's a year now that we participated last and that is fair enough. Like I said above sometimes it's the fear to compete when you know the best are around makes you think like this. Come out of it and show your skills. Beat the best which also ensures that all RCB fans get the best out of the winners. The world does not wait 3 seasons to keep trying again and again. Both the times you have applied for a different category. So be very clear of what you want to do first.
I appreciate that you were preparing for a videographer role. This is good. For me a photographer can do the same job as the videographer does for RCB. As long as RCB has a position for chief photographer, they should not be looking for a videographer. So may be you should start leaning photography. You will enjoy it. I am an ametuer too and if you need any help from me on some photography skills, please feel free to contact me. I would love to assist. And hey we could be competing together in the future FFCs.
@wizardprince - Boss, I dont know what to say :-) Read above comments. Keeeeeeeeeeeep trying.........................
I don't think this is the forum where I can share the feedback & comments that I got from our coach after IPL3. I could have built a story around it but I always wanted to compete and win....If anyone wants to read those comments, please send me an email.
Go RCB Go...let's do it this time in SA.
Cheers
Siva A N
SivaAN on 24 Jul 2010, 08:59 AM
@natasha n nidhi how 2 cast vote 2 my frens and how 2 get it as well???
sg081285 on 24 Jul 2010, 12:18 AM
"3. Can the winners of FFC 1 & 2 participate too?
Winners of previous FFCs cannot participate, but they will play mentors, and have already shared their experiences on the Flashback page."
This is what is written in the FAQ, but in the comments section I see that FFC1 winners are allowed to participate, Pls change the FAQ, no.3 if the rules are changed.
Winners of previous FFCs cannot participate, but they will play mentors, and have already shared their experiences on the Flashback page."
This is what is written in the FAQ, but in the comments section I see that FFC1 winners are allowed to participate, Pls change the FAQ, no.3 if the rules are changed.
vinayak-sanjay on 23 Jul 2010, 08:30 PM
@Natasha. This is not accepted. How can the rules change over night. This wasnt the case when FFC1 winners discussed on similar topic last time around. Please check your updates last time around and also the email communication sent to me. Completely unfair.
SivaAN on 23 Jul 2010, 08:24 PM
@Natasha
My compliments to you and team for showing the willingness and flexibility to change rules as and when justified. That is the true hallmark of an evolving community!
The only disadvantage is "you lose the ability to bring back past winners who may have become inactive after the series". This is a tough (or easy?) balancing act you have to do.
My compliments to you and team for showing the willingness and flexibility to change rules as and when justified. That is the true hallmark of an evolving community!
The only disadvantage is "you lose the ability to bring back past winners who may have become inactive after the series". This is a tough (or easy?) balancing act you have to do.
Raghunath on 23 Jul 2010, 06:54 PM
Alright! Change in the rules.. Previous FFC winners cannot participate.
natasha@RCB on 23 Jul 2010, 06:15 PM
@Natasha Can one apply in two different categories? If he or she wins in two categories? :)
rakesh-katti on 23 Jul 2010, 05:23 PM
The idea to allow FFC1 winners to participate is not that great. There should be a gap of at least two seasons before a previous winner can contend in a contest like this.
Wizardprince on 23 Jul 2010, 04:07 PM
I was damn excited until I read point # 2. Sadly I was born a few weeks later than I should've. Anyway, hoping that there's a FFC4 while IPL4!
But don't you think judging the winners through voting is a bit of an absurd idea? Good that 50% is considered for the quality of application but still 50% of part taken by voting?! I mean what about people who have none of there friends/relatives into cricket; they surely would take a beating.
But don't you think judging the winners through voting is a bit of an absurd idea? Good that 50% is considered for the quality of application but still 50% of part taken by voting?! I mean what about people who have none of there friends/relatives into cricket; they surely would take a beating.
rahulbhagchadani on 23 Jul 2010, 03:00 PM
I guess FFC1 winners should not be allowed to participate too..
@RadioSandeep: Lalchi, you stayed with the team for 90 days. I know this is South Africa, but this ends as soon as the team is finished! Let others have a chance..
@Natasha: Any reason for not having a videographer or a chief fan category? I was preparing for it for a long time. Everytime coach sees me and says "you need to prepare better" but guess he forgets that I applied for a different category both the times.. :(
@RadioSandeep: Lalchi, you stayed with the team for 90 days. I know this is South Africa, but this ends as soon as the team is finished! Let others have a chance..
@Natasha: Any reason for not having a videographer or a chief fan category? I was preparing for it for a long time. Everytime coach sees me and says "you need to prepare better" but guess he forgets that I applied for a different category both the times.. :(
KunJan on 23 Jul 2010, 12:43 PM
Just like we did not allow the FFC1 winners to participate in FFC2, similarly...
natasha@RCB on 23 Jul 2010, 11:54 AM
ROTFL!! That could be the most incredible reason to not allow us to participate :-)
radiosandeep on 23 Jul 2010, 12:10 AM
Hehe Sandeep - Good Question! The answer is:
B'coz they've forgotten they were in FFC1 ! FFC2 winners haven't been able to prove that!!
B'coz they've forgotten they were in FFC1 ! FFC2 winners haven't been able to prove that!!
Raghunath on 23 Jul 2010, 12:02 AM
Hey, why is it that FFC 1 winners can apply but not FFC 2 winners??
radiosandeep on 22 Jul 2010, 11:29 PM
@Natasha - so busy days are here again for you for the next 2-3 months. All the best in your search!
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Yes, absolutely! We treat every contest separately. Participation and decisions to these would be executed separately.
11. How do you apply?
To apply, log on at www.royalchallengers.com and Sign Up. Fill up the application form depending on what you want to sign up for (Chief Blogger, Chief Photographer or Chief Podcaster) and submit your application when you’re done.
12. Why has my application been rejected?
The mail that says your application has been rejected, will state the reasons too. Correct your application and send it through again.
13. How do I get my application featured?
If your application stands out, and it’s something we want to show the rest of the fans as an example of a good example, so they know what they are up against as competition – it will be featured. But if your application isn’t featured already, view the list of Featured Apps for inspiration or go through the tips that I will keep putting up.
14. What do I do once my profile is featured?
Once your application is featured, it means you’re doing well. But that’s not all. You have to get friends, family, enemies (yea, anyone you can) to vote for you. The more the merrier.Get your friends to give you references, share your profile on facebook, twitter, on your blog. You have a load of work. Half way to finish line from here. Start Now!
15. How do I get votes?
Aha! We aren’t going to help you with that!! That’s your job. You ask them to sign up, vote for you, get references, share on facebook, twitter, your blog, talk about your profile everywhere you go. Make your profile impressive and you will get votes. Get it featured and you’ll get more votes.
16. Can people vote more than once?
Hmm.. You really thought we were that silly? No! Of course not. Every person can vote for one profile only once.
17. What is your criterion for selecting the winner?
The winner will be decided solely on the no. of votes collected by an applicant and the quality of his application, specifying why he thinks he’s worthy of the job.
18. From when are the online registration forms available?
Registration for FFC 3:South Africa begins on July 22nd 2010 till August 9th 2010 Midnight, which is until when you can also make any changes to your application.
19. When can we start collecting votes & references?
You can start collecting votes & references after your application has been approved and the dates for this are Jul 22nd 2010 till August 11th 2010 Midnight.
20. What happens after the 21 finalists are shortlisted?
The 21 finalists will be shortlisted on August 12th 2010 after which they will be flown in to Bangalore and have their final audition there (Date and venue to be decided)
21. When does the contest end?
The final 3 Chief Fans will be announced in Bangalore after the audition. Contest ends when the CLT20 ends or the team loses whichever is earlier.
21. What are the prizes?
You get to travel to South Africa and watch RCB PLAY AT CLT20!! What more does a fanatic fan want??
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